【海外の反応】超カトリックだった地域ほど世俗化すると左傾化する謎、海外掲示板で議論に

Catholicism is very leftwing economically. It has the Church's social doctrine. In many countries it was actually the Catholic church the one that first organized and unionized the workers, etc. 

In many places it was openly oppose to capitalism and sided with left parties.

The church is not leftwing on social issues and is socially conservative, but once you remove that what's left is many decades of progressive economics policies. 

Of course not that always in every country kept such ideals as, like everything, it has factions. In some places sided with the far right. 

But anyway in those where not that's the reason. 

I don’t know that I necessarily agree with the premise.

But in case I do, Catholicism puts a heavy emphasis on community and charity and watching out for your fellow man.

Example Catholic Charities is among the biggest charity organizations in the world.

It’s a major theological difference between most Protestants and Catholics. Protestants believe you are saved by faith alone. Catholics believe you are saved by faith and good works. (This is far more nuanced than a few sentences can do justice).

There is also a heavy emphasis on spiritual poverty. See liberation theology in Latin American Catholicism vs the gospel of wealth in North American Protestantism

Finally, hierarchy. Protestantism (most) is very individual. You are capable of reaching salvation nearly by yourself (just Jesus and someone to baptize you). You don’t need others, you.are capable of making all the decisions yourself. And you don’t need to listen to others. Catholicism is very hierarchical. You cannot be saved without others. In the hierarchy, you owe things to those above you. They owe things to those below them. You are expected to heed the counsel of those that know better.

This is nuanced. And not nearly as universal as I made it. The Anglican Church is very hierarchical.

The Jesuits.

Have only had a brief look (hard to get decent sources on such things for obvious reasons) but it seems to be the case, be interested if I'm right and it was mostly Jesuits in Quebec.

I don't think I would describe Ireland as very left wing.

unless you are from the US in which case everything is very left wing.

Jesus said love your neighbour, feed the poor, take care of the sick, and dont pass judgment

When you stop believing in the magic and sorcery, these are all very left wing ideas

Ireland has a long history of left wing politics. Christ the word boycott was invented here. Ireland has always had a strong workers rights movement and civil rights. You’re conflating liberalism with left wing politics. While they overlap they are not the same thing. Ireland was culturally conservative in _some_ aspects (but not all) but always fairly economically left with strong social programs.

Ireland isn’t “very left wing”. It has moved left of centre after having a more historically conservative, center-right tradition. The same traditional centrist parties dominate, which have adopted a more progressive consensus in respect of certain social issues.

What di you consider left wing? A Social agenda is associated with catholic belief.

In the Irish case, the country’s left wing political tendencies (which aren’t absolute but that’s another conversation) exist in no small part due to its colonial history. Catholicism does not inherently play a huge part in it.

It’s also worth pointing out that a lot of left wing ideas are actually supported by mainstream Catholic doctrine, especially stuff to do with supporting the poor and marginalised. That part of Catholicism tends to mean that historically Catholic countries have a fairly strong left wing tradition.